a garagepunk way to play guitar

[croatoa]

hi everybody

when i was younger i use to play (ok it's not the right term...) electric guitar in a hc punk band...just power chords in 3-chords-songs.

now friends give me a guitar just to play on my own...

i'm askin' if out there there's a manual or a method to play electric guitar in "our" way...rock guitar in a "garage punk" style...i don't want to loose any time in stupid and boring stuff...

thanx

[Gringo Starr]

"...the best link wrat record to start learning?and what about the kinks?"

A great Link Wray release to introduce yourself to the 'one-lung' master would be:

Link Wray & The Raymen - Mr. Guitar - Original Swan Recordings (1995) Norton Records Two CD set

These Kinks records are an absolute MUST:

Kinks - 1964 (first LP) - Pye
Kinda Kinks - 1965 - Pye
The Kinks Kontroversy - 1965 - Pye
Face To Face - 1966 - Pye

...And have a listen to Chuck Berry & Bo Diddley while yer at it. Have fun!

[Joenzy]

uh, how could i forget mr. Bo Diddley. Good Save Kopp. check out his videos on youtube...
the Ventures is a little steep for beginners - even for me! But it will give you some good chops.
the Kinks, of course. "all day and all of the night." Billy Childish is good to watch. you can learn much just from watching him... "the genius of Billy Childish" you can find at some recordshops...

[The Branded]

jailbird said:

On a similar note(and completely serious - disregard my joke above) - what are the best things to drum on for a home recording/bedroom 4 track setup that sound good and lo-fi(ala Jay Reatards bedroom recordings, etc)when you dont actually have drums and/or a drummer? Ive tried boxes and buckets, but if anyone knows of a better solution besides getting a drummer, lemme know. Thanx.

for my home demos I use a wooden tambourine with the skin on one side, take a beater and bash the hell out of it, then stick it through a lot of compression add some reverb and voila, sounds tight raw and very trashy, I have also used the back of my acoustic guitar bash it like a bongo drum then add some compression and low bass, sounds like wooden bass drum, much like an old blues sound, give it a go.......

[The Branded]

for the guitar sound I would say unlearn everything you already know (beer can help with this), buy a cheap 60's guitar, like a tiesco or silvertone, hofner or whatever you find cheap, get a OLD tube amp, not one of those new modern tube/hybrid things they stink. A good modern amp with an old sound is those fender deville's, used them many times at shows, if you over cook the tube bias a little they sound really raw and warm, (the distortion channel stinks though). Listen to some old 50's blues and rock'n'roll, learn a few chord progressions, speed it up to double, then your nearly there, instant garage-punk, it aint really rocket science.... and there aint no manual, you gotta play by ear!

[croatoa]

The Branded said:

... get a OLD tube amp, not one of those new modern tube/hybrid things they stink. A good modern amp with an old sound is those fender deville's, used them many times at shows, if you over cook the tube bias a little they sound really raw and warm, (the distortion channel stinks though). Listen to some old 50's blues and rock'n'roll, learn a few chord progressions, speed it up to double, then your nearly there, instant garage-punk, it aint really rocket science.... and there aint no manual, you gotta play by ear!

what does it means "if you over cook the tube"????

so a good model is this so called "fender deville"?is it cheap or not??

[Pigmeat]

Yeh that Norton Link Wray album is aces... But I think they run out of em... At least they had only a few left last time I ordered fer my record shop... They used to do em with free Link Wray plectrums! Thats a good garage guitar tip... LINK WRAY yer amp by punching holes in the speaker with a pencil... Instant trash!

[The Branded]

croatoa said:

The Branded said:

... get a OLD tube amp, not one of those new modern tube/hybrid things they stink. A good modern amp with an old sound is those fender deville's, used them many times at shows, if you over cook the tube bias a little they sound really raw and warm, (the distortion channel stinks though). Listen to some old 50's blues and rock'n'roll, learn a few chord progressions, speed it up to double, then your nearly there, instant garage-punk, it aint really rocket science.... and there aint no manual, you gotta play by ear!

what does it means "if you over cook the tube"????

so a good model is this so called "fender deville"?is it cheap or not??

You need to set the bias or power going to the power tubes, you need a bias probe, when the amp leaves the factory they are set a bit cold to lengthen the life of the tubes but this also makes the sound sound a bit flat or dull, if you add more power to the tubes they get hotter and sound a bit more like an old vintage amp should, this is easy to do on a deville and they can sound similimar to an old blackface twin. Or you could of course stick pencils in ya speakers, the choice is yours....

[jailbird]

What about Village Green Preservation Society? Thats probably my fave Kinks album...
Gringo Starr said:

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These Kinks records are an absolute MUST:

Kinks - 1964 (first LP) - Pye
Kinda Kinks - 1965 - Pye
The Kinks Kontroversy - 1965 - Pye
Face To Face - 1966 - Pye

...And have a listen to Chuck Berry & Bo Diddley while yer at it. Have fun!

[Joenzy]

I cannot speak for Gringo but I would say you are absolutely right in as far as Village Green being a wonderful record.
but and also, Croatoa was asking about "garage punk" guitar playing. Village Green is swinging away from that Kinks
garage sound and more into different territory ala Pet Sounds perhaps(?)
jailbird said:

What about Village Green Preservation Society? Thats probably my fave Kinks album...
Gringo Starr said:

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These Kinks records are an absolute MUST:

Kinks - 1964 (first LP) - Pye
Kinda Kinks - 1965 - Pye
The Kinks Kontroversy - 1965 - Pye
Face To Face - 1966 - Pye

...And have a listen to Chuck Berry & Bo Diddley while yer at it. Have fun!

[The Branded]

Yeah but croatoa aint asking what records he needs to listen to, so its kinda pointless to tell him to listen to kinks records. He's aksing how to achieve that sound, I guessing he's already familiar with how a garage guitar sounds, he wants to know the method in which you get that sound. I suppose listening to Link Wary will help understand how simple raw guitar sounds can work really well. but you need to get your own style of playing, one that suits you, starting off with simple blues scales and style can really help get you head around it...... just a thought.....
Oh yeah croatoa, the Deville aint particulary cheap, if you are after a cheap amp with a raw sound, fender make a 5watt amp similar to the old blues amps of the 50's, when you crank em up on full they got a great sound, and they are cheap, $200 or something like that, they aint loud though

[croatoa]

mmm, 5 watts seems too small...i'll try to find how expensive is a deville in italy (where i live)...

i...yes, i know how it sounds a garage band...but sometimes i have strange doubts about some kind of power chords or the right way to the positions for the solos (and how to create them)...but maybe it's only a matter of time and listening to...

[The Branded]

For solos try finding a book on traditional blues scales or 50's R'n'R this will will help a lot, I learnt guitar from a book called Traditional American folk music written in the early 60's, most of the music was from 30's to the late 40's, it helped to understand the roots of rock'n'roll, remember most garage bands started off playing a mix of 50's R'n'R and blues, then developed thier own sound out of that, good luck.....

croatoa said:

mmm, 5 watts seems too small...i'll try to find how expensive is a deville in italy (where i live)...

i...yes, i know how it sounds a garage band...but sometimes i have strange doubts about some kind of power chords or the right way to the positions for the solos (and how to create them)...but maybe it's only a matter of time and listening to...