a garagepunk way to play guitar

[croatoa]

hi everybody

when i was younger i use to play (ok it's not the right term...) electric guitar in a hc punk band...just power chords in 3-chords-songs.

now friends give me a guitar just to play on my own...

i'm askin' if out there there's a manual or a method to play electric guitar in "our" way...rock guitar in a "garage punk" style...i don't want to loose any time in stupid and boring stuff...

thanx

[croatoa]

do you still have the book?is there a miracolous possibility of a pdf somewhere in the web?

[Joenzy]

well, for proper finger positions "tab books" may or may not help. it's hurky lurky. hit or miss.
but, it's worth a shot looking into tabs - even on the net. maybe check into guitar pro. it's a music program that has tabs and you can follow it through. you will know when somebody doesn't tab something right.
but there's variations of different tabs so you gotta filter through them. another idea is to have a friend who can show you a couple of things or just by going to shows and watching people and maybe approaching them and ask a few questions...
croatoa said:

mmm, 5 watts seems too small...i'll try to find how expensive is a deville in italy (where i live)...

i...yes, i know how it sounds a garage band...but sometimes i have strange doubts about some kind of power chords or the right way to the positions for the solos (and how to create them)...but maybe it's only a matter of time and listening to...

[Jimmyspaz]

Well 5 watts doesn't sound like much power but an old Fender Champ rocks!! I've seen Eric Clapton playing through one on stage too, just need a GOOD mike set-up for it. The best tone I've heard lately was a '53 Tele through a matching (came as a set) Champ. Not loud but magical tone, just turn both knobs all the way to the top and plug in, no pedals needed! As far as garage-punk tones on guitar I can't argue with any of the comments made here, I personally used the first couple of Ventures albums as texts for riffs, licks, and tunes. You can't go wrong with Nokie!! And another good band to listen to for garage style riffing is the McCoys, "Sloopy" is an all time classic and Rick Derringer's lead playing is great!!

[croatoa]

Joenzy said:

well, for proper finger positions "tab books" may or may not help. it's hurky lurky. hit or miss.
but, it's worth a shot looking into tabs - even on the net. maybe check into guitar pro. it's a music program that has tabs and you can follow it through. you will know when somebody doesn't tab something right.
but there's variations of different tabs so you gotta filter through them. another idea is to have a friend who can show you a couple of things or just by going to shows and watching people and maybe approaching them and ask a few questions...

yes...infact when i go to concerts (not only garage punk) sometimes i look at "strange" (for me) positions of chords and i say "why is doing this in that way????"...i usually use one position for ALL the chords moving my hand through the guitar...

[Jimmyspaz]

croatoa said:

Joenzy said:

well, for proper finger positions "tab books" may or may not help. it's hurky lurky. hit or miss.
but, it's worth a shot looking into tabs - even on the net. maybe check into guitar pro. it's a music program that has tabs and you can follow it through. you will know when somebody doesn't tab something right.
but there's variations of different tabs so you gotta filter through them. another idea is to have a friend who can show you a couple of things or just by going to shows and watching people and maybe approaching them and ask a few questions...

yes...infact when i go to concerts (not only garage punk) sometimes i look at "strange" (for me) positions of chords and i say "why is doing this in that way????"...i usually use one position for ALL the chords moving my hand through the guitar...

Well different voicings of chords sound different, if you just slide power chords around they all have about the same tonality, I didn't really get into this a lot until I seriously started plying the blues, I learned a lot of "jazz" chords from T-Bone Walker and the like. Or Bobby "Blue" Bland's arrangement of "Stormy Monday",,,,,,

[Joenzy]

yeah. "different voicings" means different sound pitchs. You mix them (chords; ways of playing the same chords) up, and you have a larger arsenal (more sounds) to pick from. It doesn't matter how much you know. It's what YOU like and what sounds good to YOU. Listen to the Velvet Underground. Very simple but it was the way Lou Reed played. Same with the stooges - very simple chord(s) but it was the way Ron Asheton played which is more difficult than just know a bunch of chords. Bo Diddley is amazing for that stuff on the 5th fret. he just pops his finger up and down. The same with the Kinks you get that jumping sound. Play that same stuff fast and break it up with the jumping sound
and you got the Ramones. Play Barre Chords up and dwn the neck and you got Nirvana. It's all style. Forgive my laymans terms as I am self taught except thru other street musicians...
Jimmyspaz said:

croatoa said:

Joenzy said:

well, for proper finger positions "tab books" may or may not help. it's hurky lurky. hit or miss.
but, it's worth a shot looking into tabs - even on the net. maybe check into guitar pro. it's a music program that has tabs and you can follow it through. you will know when somebody doesn't tab something right.
but there's variations of different tabs so you gotta filter through them. another idea is to have a friend who can show you a couple of things or just by going to shows and watching people and maybe approaching them and ask a few questions...

yes...infact when i go to concerts (not only garage punk) sometimes i look at "strange" (for me) positions of chords and i say "why is doing this in that way????"...i usually use one position for ALL the chords moving my hand through the guitar...

Well different voicings of chords sound different, if you just slide power chords around they all have about the same tonality, I didn't really get into this a lot until I seriously started plying the blues, I learned a lot of "jazz" chords from T-Bone Walker and the like. Or Bobby "Blue" Bland's arrangement of "Stormy Monday",,,,,,

[croatoa]

Joenzy said:

yeah. "different voicings" means different sound pitchs. You mix them (chords; ways of playing the same chords) up, and you have a larger arsenal (more sounds) to pick from. It doesn't matter how much you know. It's what YOU like and what sounds good to YOU. Listen to the Velvet Underground. Very simple but it was the way Lou Reed played. Same with the stooges - very simple chord(s) but it was the way Ron Asheton played which is more difficult than just know a bunch of chords. Bo Diddley is amazing for that stuff on the 5th fret. he just pops his finger up and down. The same with the Kinks you get that jumping sound. Play that same stuff fast and break it up with the jumping sound
and you got the Ramones. Play Barre Chords up and dwn the neck and you got Nirvana. It's all style. Forgive my laymans terms as I am self taught except thru other street musicians...

yeah when i listen to the velvet underground, the stooges, the ramones i fell the difference by ear...but i don't know the technics to obtain the different sounds...and the tab in the web generally they're not complete or correct. do you know somewhere where i can find good tab (written like they REALLY played the piece)???

[Joenzy]

yeah. let me get back to you later.
got stuff to do b4 work.
something i can tell you fast.
Look at Koppers' page.
He's got a slide show and one pic has "how to play punk."
it's a joke but that will help you.
Johnny Ramone played 99% of everything w/one Barrechord shape.
for a solo he would just play one of a few of the strings by themselves w/out moving his whole hand!
amazing how simple can sound so wonderful.
also you tube Ramones you can find other people playing Ramones songs and that will help.
it's not difficult. songs like Loudmouth have like 4 different chord changes tho.


croatoa said:

Joenzy said:

yeah. "different voicings" means different sound pitchs. You mix them (chords; ways of playing the same chords) up, and you have a larger arsenal (more sounds) to pick from. It doesn't matter how much you know. It's what YOU like and what sounds good to YOU. Listen to the Velvet Underground. Very simple but it was the way Lou Reed played. Same with the stooges - very simple chord(s) but it was the way Ron Asheton played which is more difficult than just know a bunch of chords. Bo Diddley is amazing for that stuff on the 5th fret. he just pops his finger up and down. The same with the Kinks you get that jumping sound. Play that same stuff fast and break it up with the jumping sound
and you got the Ramones. Play Barre Chords up and dwn the neck and you got Nirvana. It's all style. Forgive my laymans terms as I am self taught except thru other street musicians...

yeah when i listen to the velvet underground, the stooges, the ramones i fell the difference by ear...but i don't know the technics to obtain the different sounds...and the tab in the web generally they're not complete or correct. do you know somewhere where i can find good tab (written like they REALLY played the piece)???

[Shake Revard]

Forgive my belated reply:
I wish that when I'd started learning to play guitar, there'd been some Link Wray tab book available. It seems criminal there still isn't one around.
I recommend the Chuck Berry tab book published by Hal Leonard. The 50s Decade series tab books by Hal Leonard are also cool. They tipped me off to different chord positions that I was unfamiliar with.

Finally, here's a good online tab resource for garagepunk and related genres.
http://webrock.free.fr/

[Joenzy]

yeah. that's the best source i've found too. wish it had some notes on if they should be barre chords, etc.
seems you have to toy with them...
great stuff for oblivian/gories fans fo sho.
Shake Revard said:

Forgive my belated reply:
I wish that when I'd started learning to play guitar, there'd been some Link Wray tab book available. It seems criminal there still isn't one around.
I recommend the Chuck Berry tab book published by Hal Leonard. The 50s Decade series tab books by Hal Leonard are also cool. They tipped me off to different chord positions that I was unfamiliar with.

Finally, here's a good online tab resource for garagepunk and related genres.
http://webrock.free.fr/

[Shake Revard]

"wish it had some notes on if they should be barre chords, etc.
seems you have to toy with them..."


yeah, sometimes an "e" isn't a normal first position chord (i guess that's correct terminology) or barre chord. it might be some weird variation like an E7 or E9.

Good luck!

[croatoa]

yes...webrock.free.fr is cool but it can't help me finding how to play an E or and A in this or that piece of music. Generally for me is not a problem finding what chords play in a piece. but i play them ALL in a barrè style cause is the only one i know.